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Forums => Computers - Technology => Topic started by: texasboy on March 31, 2008, 06:06:32 am
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;D Well here I go again. another new pc. Highly discounted on original prices. Bought the parts today but will take me a few days to assemble. Would appreciate your comments.
http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=669
http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=1662
http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=105
http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=1080
http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=1228
http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=1587
http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=1622
staff installed processor and heat sink free, All wires from case are straight plug ins,no single leads to fiddle with,and no screws .
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Yer case is the same as mine Tex ;D
Have fun ;)
my daughter has given me her PC, and all peripherals, inc flat screen monitor, it's less than 12 months old, and hardly used. she is updating to a laptop because she needs the room for her baby who is expected to be born in September.
she wants all her personal data taken off, and saved, i want to do this for her, but i'm not sure how. Cheryl said she will buy a plug in thingy, and save it all, but i want to do it for her if i can, because she is very busy.
you all know what a PC dummy I am, so can anybody point me to the simplest way of doing it? my personal grattitude, and Karma points could be forthcoming. (now that Chip has fixed his Karma point blunder he he he)
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Round about how much space does all her files take up in terms of GB's?
If you told us that then it would be easier to find a solution
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I'll set it up soon Danny, and let you know.
How is yours coming along Tex??
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I'll set it up soon Danny, and let you know.
How is yours coming along Tex??
All her personal data easily removed. as Danny says, give us a shout when you get set up. I`m sure you will be able to go through My Documents/pictures etc and delete as necessary. You will also have to delete User Accounts and make yourself Administrator. Would also advise you to delete previous System Restore points as if you have to restore to earlier time/date it may bring her personal stuff back on PC. (if you need help pls shout).Also Control Panel add and remove any of her personal programs. That is after you save her wanted data.lol If its not too much then the little USB memory sticks at 4-8GB`s are handy.
As for my new project. >:D Managed to sneak all the new bits and pieces into house tonight, so will be able to start assembly shortly.Got the nod from most of the computer forums with one comment that I could have used a slightly better Mobo/chip. But its more than enough for me(Granda Gamer. ;D)
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Tex you recommend any good computer related forums m8?
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Tex you recommend any good computer related forums m8?
Not a bad one to start with.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php?s=
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the good old oc's :D
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;D After updating BIOS and all the drivers I am getting a bench mark on 3D mark 6 of 9554 which is excellent for the set up. So all in all very pleased with results without overclocking.
Did someone mention overclocking? He He >:D. Can bring the FSB up to 1333 without much trouble. CPU under load during test stayed about 34 deg(had added extra fan). CPU fan running at 850rpm or less..
And Billy if your listening that case we both have "Coolermaster Elite 320 is brilliant. Love the way the front just pops off to install fan. Sata HDD and PIONEER Sata DVD/CD optical drive are so much faster than the IDE drives. Got my lot flashing those blue led lights ::) Thought I was back in Manchester.lol
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Sata HDD and PIONEER Sata DVD/CD optical drive are so much faster than the IDE drives.
No, they are not. HDDs and DVD/CD drives don't yet have a high enough I/O to make the technical specifications of SATA any more useful than that of IDE. However, new hard drives which are a bit faster, bit quiter, more reliable and have higher platter density tend to be SATA based, so if you've got one of those then it'd be very good, but it's not really to do with that it's SATA.
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Sata HDD and PIONEER Sata DVD/CD optical drive are so much faster than the IDE drives.
No, they are not. HDDs and DVD/CD drives don't yet have a high enough I/O to make the technical specifications of SATA any more useful than that of IDE. However, new hard drives which are a bit faster, bit quiter, more reliable and have higher platter density tend to be SATA based, so if you've got one of those then it'd be very good, but it's not really to do with that it's SATA.
Point taken Quantum. Running 160GB Hitachi s-ata 7200rpm.
Messing around very slowly, running cpu at 2.56 ghz(2,33ghz stock),fsb slightly over 1400, temps went up to 38deg for cpu and33 for mobo.(stock intel heatsink) will change if temps get too high.
3D benchmark now up to 10,714. Havent touched the 8800gt yet.
Tks for input.
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Upped the CPU TO 15% 2.683GHZ fsb 1533 (766x2) very stable so far. temp up to 40-41deg. Can you recommend a good heatsink cooler for core2 duo ?
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Sata HDD and PIONEER Sata DVD/CD optical drive are so much faster than the IDE drives.
No, they are not. HDDs and DVD/CD drives don't yet have a high enough I/O to make the technical specifications of SATA any more useful than that of IDE. However, new hard drives which are a bit faster, bit quiter, more reliable and have higher platter density tend to be SATA based, so if you've got one of those then it'd be very good, but it's not really to do with that it's SATA.
Point taken Quantum. Running 160GB Hitachi s-ata 7200rpm.
Messing around very slowly, running cpu at 2.56 ghz(2,33ghz stock),fsb slightly over 1400, temps went up to 38deg for cpu and33 for mobo.(stock intel heatsink) will change if temps get too high.
3D benchmark now up to 10,714. Havent touched the 8800gt yet.
Tks for input.
cheers
Upped the CPU TO 15% 2.683GHZ fsb 1533 (766x2) very stable so far. temp up to 40-41deg. Can you recommend a good heatsink cooler for core2 duo ?
To be honest, you should be able to push it to 3 GHz without too much trouble. However I'd be careful to run extensive tests like 2 Prime95 torture tests running on each core for several hours.
There are a myriad of good Core2 heatsinks, the best is the Thermalright 120 Extreme, but you need to really buy a very good 12 CM fan to go with. Another fantastic one is the Noctua NH-U12P.
If you read through this review you'll get to a chart comparing all the major heatsink players: http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3268 in terms of noise, cooling at idle, cooling at stock, maximum over clockability and highest stable over clock.
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Looking through the comments the Freezer 7 Pro wins hands down. I have two of them in use ,and although somewhat large,they do the job.Will check out Thermalright.
3D Mark now up to 11,001. And you thought an old man couldnt have fun. >:D.
tks
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OMG Tex...that stuff is easy ::)
After much thought, and research, I've decided to dispense with my two free standing speakers on my desktop PC and use the built in speakers in my monitor.thereby freeing up room on my desktop for more important things like coffee cups, my mobile phone, porn CD's, and my signed pic of Wayne Rooney.
To do this I had to buy a audio extension lead off ebay (99p + postage £1.26p) I thought 'bugger the expense, it's worth it' so you see Tex, yer not the only one doing a 'major project'. [coffee]
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OMG Tex...that stuff is easy ::)
After much thought, and research, I've decided to dispense with my two free standing speakers on my desktop PC and use the built in speakers in my monitor.thereby freeing up room on my desktop for more important things like coffee cups, my mobile phone, porn CD's, and my signed pic of Wayne Rooney.
To do this I had to buy a audio extension lead off ebay (99p + postage £1.26p) I thought 'bugger the expense, it's worth it' so you see Tex, yer not the only one doing a 'major project'. [coffee]
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Built in speakers make me sad [sad]
Their quality is so low, I got shinny new Z4 logitech 2.1 speakers this year as a birthday present, I've not been able to hit maximum volume on them and my computer playing something loud because it hurts my ears so much!
And the quality remains fantastic at any volume, it's really got me in to high quality audio files which you couldn't really tell the difference before on standard PC speakers.
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That's true Quantum ;D......my freestanding speakers were a present off my son, but one of them is broken. If I really want to listen to music I plug my headphones in, they are brilliant.
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Yep, built in monitor speakers ok for gen use, but if you want to hear whats really going on, then add the outside speakers depending on your budget .
I only have Advent speakers with sub woofer. Nice BLUE lights.lol Think they are only abt 16-20 watts but ok for moment. They are squeezing power and clarity into very small packets nowadays and if you shop around you can get good prices .Even a simple 50w for £25. http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=1562.
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REF your speakers Quantum, lets hope you dont have the same problems as these guys had.http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/message?board.id=stereo_20&message.id=3110.
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REF your speakers Quantum, lets hope you dont have the same problems as these guys had.http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/message?board.id=stereo_20&message.id=3110.
Probably a limited manufacturing process fault, never heard this problem from anyone else before.
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A little update on project.
Processor running at 2.7ghz 1,535 FSB. Graphics card 694mhz core 940x2 (1880)mem. Gives 11,551 3D Marks. Seems bench marks from the pro`s on graphics card are 705 core and 951 mem. I picked figures slightly below these . Temps at moment 36deg for CPU and 32 deg for mobo(on freezer 7 pro). Quantum, would another card and SLI Produce better results?
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Another curious thought is that my 8800gt is fanless and bench marks as above are for cards with fan.???
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A little update on project.
Processor running at 2.7ghz 1,535 FSB. Graphics card 694mhz core 940x2 (1880)mem. Gives 11,551 3D Marks. Seems bench marks from the pro`s on graphics card are 705 core and 951 mem. I picked figures slightly below these . Temps at moment 36deg for CPU and 32 deg for mobo(on freezer 7 pro). Quantum, would another card and SLI Produce better results?
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Another curious thought is that my 8800gt is fanless and bench marks as above are for cards with fan.???
Of course adding another card in SLi would produce better results, but not very cost effective ones as you need to buy the same or near the same card for ~40% the gain. The specs of SLi are always set by the lowest performing card, so you can't just add another cheap one and expect better results, at least not until Hybrid SLi has matured and it's not even been launched yet.
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It would be the exact same card added. Its nice to see that the bridge piece is included with card.Is there much difference between the fanless cards and those with built in fans?
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It would be the exact same card added. Its nice to see that the bridge piece is included with card.Is there much difference between the fanless cards and those with built in fans?
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Fanless cards obviously produce a lot more heat inside the case, so this is something you need to be very wary of, make sure the case is well aired and that you keep check on the GPU / CPU / Mobo / HDD temperatures.
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My apoligies Quantum. In the light of day I noticed within that huge heatsink on the card "A fan" Nvidia run their fans at default speed 29-33% to keep things as quiet as possible. You can change this using direct fan control in nvidia tune. Did a couple of stress tests with gpu fan set at 52% ,no problems, temp went to 44deg.. Only problem I have found that it does not allow me to load my saved profiles in nvidia folder. There is a program in setup called A1 overclocking which is good up to 15% OC but will not accept the 20%. 15% gives me 2.682ghz on cpu. I will disable in setup and use OC in nvidia tune saving profiles to see if this works any better.
Have nvidia "probe" on screen which shows voltages,fan speeds and temps. seems accurate.
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GPUs can get to a lot higher temps in the short term than CPUs.
I wouldn't be too worried if a GPU peaked at 85 C for a bit. The GPU itself will be fine, it's stuff like the GPU's memory exposed to long term heat that suggers.
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Seems like 2.765ghz on CPU is close to max using nvidea tune . Upped the graphic card a little and benchmark up with the e8440 core 2 duo boys.
http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=3D6BF220EB92C91CD4030A983E13DA7D.
But just look at the proffessionals with the quads.lol
Temps 42 deg max during test gpu temps 45max. Got a great airflow through case. Have room to add an 80mm fan on side to blow directly on freezer 7 pro heatsink. Will get another card this week and run the Sli .Quantum you have been a big help through my learning curves. TKS.
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ps. did you notice that they are mostly on Vista ::)
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Seems like 2.765ghz on CPU is close to max using nvidea tune . Upped the graphic card a little and benchmark up with the e8440 core 2 duo boys.
http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=3D6BF220EB92C91CD4030A983E13DA7D.
But just look at the proffessionals with the quads.lol
Temps 42 deg max during test gpu temps 45max. Got a great airflow through case. Have room to add an 80mm fan on side to blow directly on freezer 7 pro heatsink. Will get another card this week and run the Sli .Quantum you have been a big help through my learning curves. TKS.
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ps. did you notice that they are mostly on Vista ::)
Cool, I'm going to save up about £1500 and make something really nice at some point. Funnily enough my old computer still stands up pretty good against modern stuff though. If I'm going with Intel (which unless AMD pull something out of the hat in the next year could be pretty likely), I'm waiting until they've dropped the outdated Front Side Bus concept.
Vista gets all the new drivers and shiny graphics. If you want something low weight, just switch to Linux, Ubuntu 8 is coming out in about a week, it's a really easy install, worth a try. Assuming drivers are sorted out for it o.k you can play a lot of games fine in it after just installing Wine.
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Although this article is slightly old, I was laughing all the way through it. The bench mark figures may be somewhat up the left,but if you go to comments after page 5 its hillarious.
http://en.expreview.com/2007/11/26/hd-3870-crossfire-vs-8800gt-sli/5/.
Have 2nd 8800gt card due tmw or friday. Plus c-rom for Vista 32 bit.
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So what monitor do you have?
When I next build a computer I'm going for at least a 24 inch 1920 x 1200 monitor.
Also, demand screencaps of some high end game like Crysis from your final set-up!
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Just a simple 20" Acer 1680x1050. Resolution should not have to be reliant on a bigger screen size. Otherwise we will all be sitting in front of a 42" flat screen.lol
My little computer den is built in under the stairs, off the kitchen,and believe you me the 20" screen is more than adequate. Hopefully quality will increase soon along with better resolution for this size.
With Vista 32 bit cd-rom .Can I install directly over the winxp ,or do I have to formatt and start all over again?
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Just a simple 20" Acer 1680x1050. Resolution should not have to be reliant on a bigger screen size. Otherwise we will all be sitting in front of a 42" flat screen.lol
My little computer den is built in under the stairs, off the kitchen,and believe you me the 20" screen is more than adequate. Hopefully quality will increase soon along with better resolution for this size.
With Vista 32 bit cd-rom .Can I install directly over the winxp ,or do I have to formatt and start all over again?
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There should be an upgrade process if you stick the Vista disk in, it should manage all your programs and settings and import them in to Vista.
I've got a little old 19 inch CRT here with 1600 x 1200. High quality for the win, bring on the ultra clear scalable vector interfaces already! Plus it's about time we got some serious colour depth from our monitors, none of this 6 bit nonsense from TFTs, bring on displayport and a full 10 bit!
Look forward to the day when I can get a much better quality monitor than I have now.
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As usual MS screw up a simple upgrade to vista from winxp. I`m on other pc at moment.
Followed all the instructions to upgrade. It loaded all the files etc but never got to the welcome page. Wont boot up to vista. Setup is still available, and changed boot up to cd-rom etc, no luck.
So I now have pc with no vista or winxp.
Its only when I used this pc to check out vista problems on upgrades, that I found that this is a common problem which MS have yet to fix. Cd-rom was vista home premium edition.
Any thoughts on how to get my winxp back. Tried booting up with winxp cd-rom which was ok .Hit repair etc but no luck. It will allow me to completely format drive. YUK!. Maybe I`ll sleep on it tonight and decide in morning.
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As usual MS screw up a simple upgrade to vista from winxp. I`m on other pc at moment.
Followed all the instructions to upgrade. It loaded all the files etc but never got to the welcome page. Wont boot up to vista. Setup is still available, and changed boot up to cd-rom etc, no luck.
So I now have pc with no vista or winxp.
Its only when I used this pc to check out vista problems on upgrades, that I found that this is a common problem which MS have yet to fix. Cd-rom was vista home premium edition.
Any thoughts on how to get my winxp back. Tried booting up with winxp cd-rom which was ok .Hit repair etc but no luck. It will allow me to completely format drive. YUK!. Maybe I`ll sleep on it tonight and decide in morning.
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Try doing a straight install of Vista. When I did that it moved all the documents and settings and program files to a folder called windows.old, so you can cut and past them to where you want. Worth a try, maybe.
(it gives you this option during before having to actually install, so you can back out beforehand if needs be).
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He wont do that Quantum, he would be too scared of losing his porn. [LOL!]
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He wont do that Quantum, he would be too scared of losing his porn. [LOL!]
Its a new PC Billy, there is nothing on it.lol
Quantum. Clean install ,all ok, everything updated. Running 2nd similar card in SLI. Super graphics and everything running cool. Have 2 "Old" files on programs, one is 754mb in size. Presume its better to cut and paste small sections at a time or can I copy the lot at one go ??
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