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Forums => Computers - Technology => Topic started by: texasboy on January 13, 2008, 08:22:20 am
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;D Got an offer last night from a friend who was upgrading mobo to PCI-E. Not that I am sure what to do with his old graphic card.
HIS Radeon X1950 PRO ICE Q3 512MB AGP Graphic card. Overclocked by HIS.
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=553
If you have time to go through the reviews.
My family PC might need a bigger PSU and 6 pin power connector to work, But other Mobo NI8GR should be ok. Might even be better than the 6800 GS GLH card.
Yes its mine now.lol
Any thoughts out there.
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What exactly do you want to know?
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You want to know x1950 pro vs. 6800GS?
x1950 pro wins hands down, for their respective times their about equivalent cards, but the x1950 pro is a generation newer than the 6800GS.
Neither of them are exactly power by today standards, but certainly good. You can get molex to 6 pin connectors, but a good quality (that's good quality not just the highest wattage for the cheapest price) PSU is always advised.
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What exactly do you want to know?
Can I use this in old PC if I change the PSU.??
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Sorry posted on top of you
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What exactly do you want to know?
Do you know wot he's waffling on about Quantum??...i think he's been at the Chivas again :D
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I can't find any info on that mobo, you have link to specs or summat? But if it's AGP 8x and you have either an AGP 8x or 4x mobo, should be find I think.
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Catch up with you tmw, Need some sleep before work.
tks
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I can't find any info on that mobo, you have link to specs or summat? But if it's AGP 8x and you have either an AGP 8x or 4x mobo, should be find I think.
Hi Quantum,
The N18 SLI GR MOBO http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?fMTYPE=LGA775&pMODEL_NAME=NI8-SLI%20GR
Which I have the 2x 6800 GS GLH 512MB installed but waiting for delivery of the bridge piece to connect the 2 cards.485gpu and 1300 mem stock.2 GB MEM 500W PSU. This of course is PCI-E. Since the AGP card is now mine I have 2 questions.
1) Will the AGP card run on this mobo as an alternative to PCI-E(just looked again maybe no AGP slots)
2)Would the AGP card be too much for the older family PC (presently running Radeon 9550 256mb) HP Pavillon 710 with 1.3ghz celeron processor 512MB RAM will check PSU wattage on Everest when I finish this post and update Mobo shows support for 133 FSB which isnt that high.
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I can't find any info on that mobo, you have link to specs or summat? But if it's AGP 8x and you have either an AGP 8x or 4x mobo, should be find I think.
Hi Quantum,
The N18 SLI GR MOBO http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?fMTYPE=LGA775&pMODEL_NAME=NI8-SLI%20GR
Which I have the 2x 6800 GS GLH 512MB installed but waiting for delivery of the bridge piece to connect the 2 cards.485gpu and 1300 mem stock.2 GB MEM 500W PSU. This of course is PCI-E. Since the AGP card is now mine I have 2 questions.
1) Will the AGP card run on this mobo as an alternative to PCI-E(just looked again maybe no AGP slots)
2)Would the AGP card be too much for the older family PC (presently running Radeon 9550 256mb) HP Pavillon 710 with 1.3ghz celeron processor from memory this is at 250gpu and 200mem.512MB RAM will check PSU wattage on Everest when I finish this post and update
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Yeah, an AGP Graphics card won't fit in a PCI-e slot... and I've only ever once seen a mobo have both a PCI-e slot and an AGP slot and it was a terrible motherboard.
Should fit fine in that old computer (I guess it'll be AGP 4x or 8x). But you'll likely need to pick up a better PSU. This is the PSU I use frequently for people who need an alright quality one on a budget: http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Xilence+420W+Gaming+PSU+?productId=19868
That said I think their postal charge is a rip off if I remember rightly (I live a 10 min walk away from them).
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Many thanks Quantum,
I`ll do a little bit of shopping around for this one. I suppose any decent /quiet PSU from 350-450w will be more than adequate for the older rig. What I cant understand is why this old thing is still great for everyday use and still has good download speeds 250-280kbs. . Keep wanting to change the mobo ,but keep it on AGP. But thats for another day .
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I put these in my new builds for customers on a budget.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/106619
You may not need to change it. Take the side off and see what the wattage is, more importantly see what the ampage os on the 12v rail ( it will say on the sticker ) anything at or above 25a and you are fine. If that's the case then you want this.http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=159192
I'd be interested in seeing your everest report as I'm not sure that PC has a 8x AGP interface in which case the card would be wasted.
What I will tell you is that you have on your hands just about the best AGP card that was ever made. HIS squeezed every last bit out of that and it performs better than a lot of PCIe cards do today. If you got it for free than good on you, if you paid less than £80 for it then you are still good.
In fact as for the family PC goes I would consider just buying a new mobo and CPU just to build around that card, it is that good. You could pick up a second hand board and CPU in the region of an AMD XP 3000+ for under £40 and it would bloaw away your celeron ( which frankly are no better than calculators ). Coupled with that card you would still have a very decent rig for next to no money.
As Quantum said, it won't fit in your PCIe rig.
Your download speeds have nothing to do with the system. As long as it has a 10 base T ethernet connection you could be running a 10 year old PC and still et the same speeds.
I'm a system builder so if you need advice about upgrades please feel free to ask. If you find no use for the HIS card and want to sell it send me a mail.
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;D Tks ZC and Quantum.
The following is a bunch of info which seems sadly outdated.lol
Mobo is 6 yrs old,with 544pin BGA
core voltage 1.85
mem timings 2,2,2,5,7,
AGP ver 2.0
4x AGP
PSU is Bestec model no ATX1956F
Although it says 200w max. Recommended 150w
Outside dimensions of case are approx 20x35-37cm
Mobo looks to be about 26x26 cm
Now.!!! I still have 2 cool sink fans for the 775 socket CPU as follows
1)AKASA DC 12v ballbearing.
2)Intel SY22D P2 DC 12V 0.42A from NIDEC CORP (lots of other numbers).
A recommendation for a cheap new mobo which would fit into present case? Might be a tall order since new boards are so much bigger. Remember its me not a gamer and anything with socket 775. Would be willing to purchase case to fit. The card would keep me going for quite a while.
Start yer clocks.lol
TKS
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FYI I just purchased ATX 500w psu from Tekheads for £8.99 +p&p . I know it`s only a budget one.
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;D Tks ZC and Quantum.
The following is a bunch of info which seems sadly outdated.lol
Mobo is 6 yrs old,with 544pin BGA
core voltage 1.85
mem timings 2,2,2,5,7,
AGP ver 2.0
4x AGP
PSU is Bestec model no ATX1956F
Although it says 200w max. Recommended 150w
Outside dimensions of case are approx 20x35-37cm
Mobo looks to be about 26x26 cm
Now.!!! I still have 2 cool sink fans for the 775 socket CPU as follows
1)AKASA DC 12v ballbearing.
2)Intel SY22D P2 DC 12V 0.42A from NIDEC CORP (lots of other numbers).
A recommendation for a cheap new mobo which would fit into present case? Might be a tall order since new boards are so much bigger. Remember its me not a gamer and anything with socket 775. Would be willing to purchase case to fit. The card would keep me going for quite a while.
Start yer clocks.lol
TKS
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FYI I just purchased ATX 500w psu from Tekheads for £8.99 +p&p .
:/. the PSU will probably do you alright for such an old system. Just never buy something like that for a new system, a good quality PSU is seen as the backbone of a good modern computer these days (mainly because who wants to run the risk of it frying their brand new components?).
God knows what CPUs this actually supports, but it says the Pentium 4 line so should be o.k: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/113839 . I've long given up trying to work out which LGA775 mobo fits which LGA775 CPU. Say what you want about AMDs socket changes, but at least socket xxx mobo will almost always work with socket xxx CPU (even if a BIOS update is needed) and occasionally socket yyy CPU will fit in socket xxx mobo.
You'd probably find a better deal on eBay or Amazon marketplace though
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;D Tks Quantum.
Looking in to this mobo.
But heres a bit of a laugh for you. Remembered I still had my first PC in the attic. Pulled it down tonight to look at the insides. Took the HD out. (remember this is 1999.lol) win 95-98. Seagate Medalist 4321, model no ST34321A. Yes 4.3 GB hard drive ::) They still advertise this product.http://www.ciao.co.uk/Seagate_Medalist_4321_4_3_GB__18199. Actually the figures are not that bad for the times. PSU is Powerman output 145w/6amps
Can use some of the connections/plugs etc.
It`s even got a 32x max cd player built in. plus floppy. The CPU fan is only 2x2 inches. Gave me lots of fun when I first started. I remember the salesman telling me that that the max upgrade on HD for the mobo was 10-15MB.
How times have changed.
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Yeah, times have changed Tex......do try to keep up, old chap ::)
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Quantum, looking at your sugested Mobo and without going overboard on the P4 would the following be ok or do I need something slightly better to run the card. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134552. It does offer more alternatives on E- buyers.
tks for the input.
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Quantum, looking at your sugested Mobo and without going overboard on the P4 would the following be ok or do I need something slightly better to run the card. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134552. It does offer more alternatives on E- buyers.
tks for the input.
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Ugh..., the problem with going down this road of "if I'm getting a better item X, why don't I get a better item y?" is pretty quickly you've found yourself in the position of having bought an almost whole new computer for slightly more than it would actually cost to buy a whole new computer and with far inferior specs.
For a few pounds less than that CPU you can but this one: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/136311 .That CPU is as powerful running on single core, but it has 2 cores...
But yeah I guess that CPU is o.k, it's at least on 65nm design... Though still probably runs hot as hell compared to any modern CPU.
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;D Trying to keep cost down. The only expense will be mobo and CPU less than £70. Reason I was trying to stay with socket 775 is that I have the cool sinks on hand.
The PSU states full support for Intel P4 and AMD K7 compatable. Also have extra fans for cooling.
So I am at the stage of looking at your suggested mobo but trying to find a suitable pentium 4 to match. Doesnt have to be top of the line but enough to run card. Maybe my first choice was not correct.
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;D OK got the pentium 4 3.0GHZ 2MB Cache socket 775 for under £20 on e-bay. Now for an extra £11 need opinion on the following Mobo. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131143/show_product_specifications The original mobo will be ok, and all I need is thermal paste and a suitable Case from £10-17. . So all in all a very cheap build. All sorts of connectors and fans lying around.
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;D OK got the pentium 4 3.0GHZ 2MB Cache socket 775 for under £20 on e-bay. Now for an extra £11 need opinion on the following Mobo. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131143/show_product_specifications The original mobo will be ok, and all I need is thermal paste and a suitable Case from £10-17. . So all in all a very cheap build. All sorts of connectors and fans lying around.
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That mobo looks fine, just make sure it supports your type of RAM and stuff. I've never had a problem with an ASRock mobo (though funilly enough, their owners ASUS I've has endless problems with).
Seems to have both a PCI-e and AGP graphics slots, will be good if you ever find get given a better PCI-e graphics card I guess :P
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Tks,
I kinda liked the specs on that mobo. I can always borrow the 2 GB mem from the PCI-E PC upstairs for a trial run. Provided my eyesight still allows me to wire up the mobo correctly lol. Theres plenty of ram out there at good prices if this works . The old HP case has had its day and might be a bit crowded with the new graphics card(its a monster), so I will look around for a reasonably priced case which everything will fit into comfortably,allowing me to add fans as needed. For a general purpose PC it will do for quite a while.
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;D As an update. Had a look at the new AGP x1950 Pro HIS card. It says on the box Turbo 594mzh engine speed and 1.54GHZ mem speed which is different from my original link. I presume this is still reasonable?
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;D As an update. Had a look at the new AGP x1950 Pro HIS card. It says on the box Turbo 594mzh engine speed and 1.54GHZ mem speed which is different from my original link. I presume this is still reasonable?
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:/, the Pro isn't as good as the XT, but it's still pretty good.
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Got the mobo Gigabyte 775 Intel GA-8I865GME-775-RH 865G/ICH5 FSB800 8xAGP onboard VGA 2xDual CH DDR 400 6Channel Audio Micro ATX Motherboard
locally for £35 at MPLEX, plus a reasonable case for £25. Now all I have to do is find the time to start putting all this together. Finally got the SLI rig up and running in the other PC,after 2 complete windows formats,(due to careless overclocking.lol). Updated all the drivers I can think of,but probably still a few more to go. Graphics seem excellent and most downloads in the 500-600kbs range. Had a little bit of a panic when I added an additional 120mm fan to the back of the case behind the Artic cooler7 pro heat sink. Temps started rising from the low 40`s to 51+, Had the fan blowing the wrong way. Changed, and temps now 28-35 range.
Will let you know any problems on the new rig as I go along.
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Sounds nice ;D
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One more item for thought would be a new internal HD. Maybe 160GB ??
I can hear you laughing Quantum. Yes the extra`s are starting to come in now. Not to mention quality faster Ram >:D
Still an old man must have his fun,lol
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One more item for thought would be a new internal HD. Maybe 160GB ??
I can hear you laughing Quantum. Yes the extra`s are starting to come in now. Not to mention quality faster Ram >:D
Still an old man must have his fun,lol
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IDE or SATA? I hear Western Digital have come out with a 320GB hard drive that runs on a single platter. Also have you read anything about perpendicular storage method?
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One more item for thought would be a new internal HD. Maybe 160GB ??
I can hear you laughing Quantum. Yes the extra`s are starting to come in now. Not to mention quality faster Ram >:D
Still an old man must have his fun,lol
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IDE or SATA? I hear Western Digital have come out with a 320GB hard drive that runs on a single platter. Also have you read anything about perpendicular storage method?
Believe it or not Quantum in my ignorance of how Sata and Raid works, I havent done any research yet. I noticed that some of the members on the computer forums use Sata. Would there be any advantage for me to use a Sata hard drive. I have the connections for it. Maybe you would have some links for me to read up on? Just home from work at 8pm and hard to spend the extra time on unknown product. Plenty of hard drives in the £26-50 range, would not want to spend more. Appreciate your thoughts.
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Would this be a fair asumption. http://www.cgicomputerwares.com/index_165.htm
tks
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There's no practical difference between a SATA or IDE (also known as ATA or PATA) drives at this point.
It really depends what connectors are on your motherboard, SATA drives tend to be slightly cheaper unless you find an IDE one on sale. If you do get a SATA drive, you need to make sure you have a SATA data cable (should be a fair bit less than £1) and a SATA power cable (molex to SATA cables are as cheap if not cheaper than SATA data cables).
500GB is the cheapest £/GB ratio at the moment I think. Also a new tech for hard drives have come out called 'perpendicular storage method' this allows platter densities to be much higher, reducing the amount of platters, increasing the life expectancy and reliability of the hard drive.
16MB of Cache offers almost no tangible performance over 8MB, only get higher amounts of cache when it's the time price or cheaper.
Easy enough to pick up a 320GB hard drive in that price range. But out of all 320GB hard drives, this one is probably the best as it runs on a single platter: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124735
Edit: Not sure if that's actually the single platter one! Apparently that model number is used both for the single platter and a double 160GB platter ???
Read this for details: http://www.dailytech.com/Update+Western+Digital+Launches+Single+Platter+320GB+Desktop+Drive/article10432.htm
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Apparently the drive is the WD3200AAKS-00B3A0, you can read about it here: http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3236
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Got the mobo Gigabyte 775 Intel GA-8I865GME-775-RH 865G/ICH5 FSB800 8xAGP onboard VGA 2xDual CH DDR 400 6Channel Audio Micro ATX Motherboard
locally for £35 at MPLEX, plus a reasonable case for £25. Now all I have to do is find the time to start putting all this together.
The case was from Aurora, and little did I know that it came with 450 WinPower PSU installed .25amps max on 12v.
Anyway ,installed Mobo (so much smaller in case than the PCI-E one.) Installed P4 and Akasa heatsink. 2x120mm fans. Had to stop for tonight as writing on mobo is so small to connect led/switch leads etc. Mobo came with Sata leads so may go with similar HD. Max 2gb ram on mobo so will check out this week for decent cards on special. It wont be a gamers machine ,but a very big improvement on the old family HP 710.
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ps, if anyone has any suggestions ref memory cards to suit Mobo.???
Again I am hearing that this PSU is not stable(why do they sell them if they dont do the job??) Can probably check out better unit including the 400w you mentioned earlier.
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Double check if you've read my last post on the previous page, especially about hard drives and stuff.
As for PSUs, they try and make them as cheap as possible and they can be real bad, this is very very common, there's the ones mentioned here in this thread so far. Also as for other budget PSUs I've had good experience with, Trust's Low Noise Big Fan series seems pretty good, e.g: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TRUST-520W-Pro-Noise-PW-5550/dp/B000J5U0ME
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Sounds reasonable. Have been looking at http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/Corsair+450W+VX+Series+PSU+?productId=28332.
Specs are good and would last a while. Your thoughts?
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Sounds reasonable. Have been looking at http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/Corsair+450W+VX+Series+PSU+?productId=28332.
Specs are good and would last a while. Your thoughts?
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Corsair are a really good brand, specs unfortunately mean nothing for a PSU.
Either it's a good brand, it has lots of good user feedback or there is a good review on it and the only people I know who actually do reviews worthwhile reading for PSUs are Anandtech and they only started this year and haven't got round to budget PSUs.
As for this PSU, a single power rail, while somewhat questionable on safety (no one really knows with this sort of stuff) does appear to provide better performance.
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Right , here we go. Stuck 1 stick of ram 512 ddr 184 pin into mobo . Also old Rade0n 9250 AGP card. cleared cmos etc.
Hit start button .all fans running,(at this stage no HD/Monitor/or HIS AGP card). Would not switch off with start button,so switch off power at back of tower.
Next took HD(IDE) out of WINXP sli pc and put in new rig. Gigabyte mobo box supplied 34 pin ribbon IDE connections even though both connections on HD and mobo are 40 pin. Used ribbon from other pc 40 pin and hooked up to pc. Also carefully installed new HIS AGP card and hooked up 6 pin power for card. Hit start button, nothing! Also hooked up to Acer monitor instead of CRT 19". Removed 2 wire power lead from mobo and lightly touched the 2 pins with screwdriver. All started up ,fans/card fans and LED lights. But monitor not getting signal ..Switched off again ,cleared CMOS and re-instated 2 wire power switch connector. Still nothing.(screwdriver still works)
Will the 34 pin IDE ribbon still plug in(until SATA HD arrives later).
Will now go back to old Radeon card and see if this lot fires up again to monitor.
Probably something simple.Plenty of power to ,mobo,cd external drive ,ethernet broadband lights on etc.
Will add to this later.
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Need to be more specific about start-up problems like that. Does it turn on at all? Does it briefly make any sounds? Is it on but nothing outputting to monitor? etc...
These kinds of problems I hate most, but I do know most common causes for them.
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Right basically I have pc out on table. Not connected to monitor.
All I have connected to mobo is.
1)Radeon 9250 AGP card
2)512 ddr ram card (new)
3) 80 GB Hard drive from PCI-E computer running winXP, hooked up with 40 pin IDE ribbon cable.
When I hit the power button at front of case everything starts. CPU fan, 2x120mm case fans, PSU fan etc.
Power button when held down does not stop or turn off PC (have to turn off manually at back of case)
Hooked up speakers (green line out ) to back of mobo but no beeps. Card is fully seated.
I have another Pentium 4 processor available same specs if needed.
Checked all the + and - connections on the F Panel for HD and reset switch.
Only thing I can think of is that when installing mobo I made some double thick paper washers. Can pull mobo out again and use plastic inserts for these spaces in case there is a possible short.
Taking the pc over and adding mouse/keyboard and monitor connections. Monitor has no signal/screen.
Is HD compatable and should it not be able to fire up winXP
PS 34 pin ribbon is for floppy.
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Hmmm, unlucky problem...
To be it sounds like it's a motherboard problem, if there are components you can test, go through them 1 by 1.
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Quantum, Horrible thought just occured to me. Have we miss matched the Gigabyte mobo for the HIS graphics card? Got everything powered up Power button is switching on and off now, all fans including card fan running normally. Installed the 2GB ram (2x1 GB PC3200 CL3 184 pin DIMM.) still no signal to monitor.
Then I looked at the hand book from HIS for the card.
Features at a glance.
256/512MB-256 bit 8 channel GDDR4/GDDR3 memory. Different mem type? http://hightech.com.hk/html/product_ov.php?id=296&view=yes
Any thoughts ??
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Looking through the web,the HIS card is indeed GDDR3 memory and much better card than expected( on par with Radeon 3850 model) So need to look for new Mobo.?
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The only thing that matters between a mobo and graphics card is the specific slot they use / have.
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Many posts on computer/tech forums show that the new GDDR3 in latest cards incorporated into the older AGP boards/slots will not work, and assuming that the Gigabyte mobo has been out for some time,may have a problem.
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Many posts on computer/tech forums show that the new GDDR3 in latest cards incorporated into the older AGP boards/slots will not work, and assuming that the Gigabyte mobo has been out for some time,may have a problem.
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I've never heard of this...
You need to post on the manufacturers support forum or something.
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Have ongoing e-mail with Gigabyte. Will call it a day for now and let you know tmw. Many thanks
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Went through everthing again. It was a faulty processor. Changed over to the spare P4 and have signal to monitor . spend my spare time installing WinXP to SATA hard drive/drivers etc. Will let you know in next few days.
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Went through everthing again. It was a faulty processor. Changed over to the spare P4 and have signal to monitor . spend my spare time installing WinXP to SATA hard drive/drivers etc. Will let you know in next few days.
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Ahh, it's a pain, but at least good when you work out what the problem is.
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i am actually on the new pc now. it is running great with good download speeds,only limited by the old 19"crt monitor. one little problem, you will notice that i am typing in lower case. whenever i hit caps it gives me caps but refuses to return to lower case after hitting caps key again. only returns after restart.
went into radeon site to check what games i was compatable with. it said i need to upgrade to 128mb ram preferable x1600 series with all the same other specs that are on this x1950 pro 512mb ram. doesent sound right. think i have downloaded all the drivers/forceware etc. maybe i missed something.? ati shows core at 594 and mem at 770(dual mem to 1540) there is a jumper on the graphic card for reset which i hope i have returned to the correct pins.
TEMP 37 ON STOCK COOLER .WILL CHANGE. SORRY HIT CAP BY MISTAKE.LOL
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restarted,very quick on boot up. tried 2 other keyboards and still same problem with caps. there are settings at start up to enable/disable mouse/keyboard on usb. presently disabled and on serial.
any thoughts anyone??
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Do you mean shift is always held down?
You might want to look up sticky keys or shift lock on some windows sites, not sure.
Good to hear everything is working, though I'm not sure what you mean about on the RAM... Good to hear everything is working, what CPU did you get in the end?
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changed heat sink to artic cooler freezer 7 pro with fan control. IT IS RUNNING AT 660-690RPM. NEED TO CHANGE ONE CASE FAN AROUND. SEE WHAT I MEAN ABOUT CAPS,CANT GET OUT OF THIS WITHOUT RE-BOOT.
INSTALLED A P4 630 TO GET ME GOING. SINCE MOBO IS FSB800 WAS LOOKING AT http://www.mplex.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=1283 THIS IS LOCAL STORE NO P AND P any other suggestions ref cpu, will reboot and try to clear this lot up
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w`oops it just cleared to lower case.
rebooted and back on lower case again. can you check out any other prices for core 2 duo at fsb 800 keeping in mind p&p.
had all case fans on exhaust, but will change front fan to blow into case and exhaust to rear and side of case.
little bit of extra money coming in this weekend from old unused pension funds.so can afford a decent cpu.lol
need a decent new monitor to handle higher resolution.
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Do you mean Caps or do you mean shift? Or both?
I'd suggest asking around on other tech forums as well.
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;DJust bought cheap keyboard from PC World £4.97 and as you can see its working. Have to hit the shift key to change to lower case.
Any thoughts on cpu or monitor. Had a look at tft flatscreen monitors,the resolution and contrast ratio vary quite a bit .
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;DJust bought cheap keyboard from PC World £4.97 and as you can see its working. Have to hit the shift key to change to lower case.
Any thoughts on cpu or monitor. Had a look at tft flatscreen monitors,the resolution and contrast ratio vary quite a bit .
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No idea on CPUs reallly, specific Intel CPUs ain't my thing.
TFT monitors are all about what price you want to spend, then looking up the best for that price. Any colour brightness above 400 nits is a bit pointless and an easy way to get contrast ratio higher it to increase the maximum brightness.
So yeah, 20 inch wide screen 1680 x 1050 monitors are pretty cheap these days it seems.
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tks.
ran a test on c-net to see if agp pc would run vista.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-6671810-1.html?tag=more.vista
seems like the mobo is running the p4 in duo mode. ie from 3.oghz up to 4.52ghz.
Dont know how reliable test is.
On broadband tests(tried several usa/uk) average 4000+kbps down and 390kbps up.
Since I changed the case fan around cpu temp has dropped to 34deg and fan speed abt 590.
However Everest shows chassis fan speed at 2000rpm. 3X120MMcase fans, one plugged into system fan connector plus fan on card. Would this be a total speed for the 3 fans?. getting great air flow through case
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I've never ever trusted Everest statistics, but 2000rpm isn't unusual.
I use Speedfan a lot and CPU-Z to check other computer specifics.
I'm not sure what you mean about up to 4.52 GHz? The only way to get netburst to clock that high is to use something like liquid nitrogen cooling ;D.
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will try to get a print out link posted shortly. But reading the report from C-NET it shows the p4 running as core 2 duo.(or dual core??) which might mean 2.26 ghz per core available.or 3.0 +1.52 extra
The link I posted needs to be changed as would only apply to whatever pc which clicks on it.
cheers
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will try to get a print out link posted shortly. But reading the report from C-NET it shows the p4 running as core 2 duo.(or dual core??) which might mean 2.26 ghz per core available.or 3.0 +1.52 extra
The link I posted needs to be changed as would only apply to whatever pc which clicks on it.
cheers
??? ??? ???
I'm sorry, I really don't know what you mean.
Use CPU-Z to work out your exact specs.
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Will be back tmw. just downloaded futuremark benchmark 3d 6 $19 will run and give you some figures. Free version will not allow too much but runs pc through Battlefield etc didnt do too bad . They seem more interested in the 3850/8800 series. CPU-Z wasnt much better (just showed basics).
catch you later.
cheers
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Will be back tmw. just downloaded futuremark benchmark 3d 6 $19 will run and give you some figures. Free version will not allow too much but runs pc through Battlefield etc didnt do too bad . They seem more interested in the 3850/8800 series. CPU-Z wasnt much better (just showed basics).
catch you later.
cheers
Basics are everything, I don't even know what clock speed your CPU is... CPU-Z would tell you that exactly rather than confusing you.
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Hi,
Right this is what I have gathered so far.
CPU-Z says. intel core 2 duo E4500 Conroe @2.2GHZ. Tech 65nm. core speed 22.109. multiplier x 11. bus speed 201mhz. FSB 804. Voltage at 1.296.
Also, CPU temp 15-19deg. core 1 and 2 at 24-29 deg. case fans at 1957 rpm.
Running 3d mark 06 benchmark. says I passed test. the following figures mean nothing to me until I learn a little more.
5164 3d marks
sm2.0 score 1986
hdr/sm 3.0 score 2203
cpu score 1916.
CPU is quite easily overclocked to 3.0ghz even up to 3.6 ghz if you know what your doing.lol
The core 2 duo processor comes with its intel heatsink/fan which is highly rated before OC and very quiet.
So all in all I have the makings of new family PC.
More drivers to update yet.
cheers
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>:D look out Billy,
Updated BIOS
3d score now 5343
sm2 1987
hdr 2196
cpu 2440.
Still more updates and drivers as I work through this lot
Why wasnt I born clever instead of rich. ;D
cheers
Looking through figures from more modern cards/systems, the above is quite poor. But its only a family pc.lol.
Now what should I build next??? ;D
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;D Wow! I can play Quake 4 and Crysis, well past the minimum requirements but of course not up to the standards of the 8800 boys. Still not a bad result for first time. 8)
cheers
CPU temp 19-24deg c
CPU fan 384-595 rpm
Case fans 1990 rpm
Maxtor HD temp 28deg
Was getting 2 short bleeps and 1 long bleep which I finally figured out to be BIOS. Udated and no bleeps. For AGP rig this will be good for family PC. 20" Acer tft flat screen monitor ordered and on way http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-P203W-CrystalBrite-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/customer-reviews/B000VPHOZ8/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&customer-reviews.start=1#customerReviews. Everything working now .
cheers again.
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;D just a short update on the his x1950 pro q3 ice agp graphics card. using the e4500 core 2 duo processor, i didnt realise i could change bios at start up to 1066 fsb which cpu supports. now getting better results . original cpu at 2.2ghz now at 3.3ghz with room for much more. futuremark 3d results now well into the 6500 score. broadband speeds on toast over 7mb. graphics are good but nothing like the scores on the 8800gt sli rig over 13000 marks now).
still testing.
cheers
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;D just a short update on the his x1950 pro q3 ice agp graphics card. using the e4500 core 2 duo processor, i didnt realise i could change bios at start up to 1066 fsb which cpu supports. now getting better results . original cpu at 2.2ghz now at 3.3ghz with room for much more. futuremark 3d results now well into the 6500 score. broadband speeds on toast over 7mb. graphics are good but nothing like the scores on the 8800gt sli rig over 13000 marks now).
still testing.
cheers
Be careful about overclocking too much, ultimately no matter how carefully you overclock it does increase wattage and does reduce the life of a CPU, if you increase voltage it does this even more so.
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understand what you are saying, when i changed fsb in bios it automatically set cpu at 2.9ghz, i only overclocked this figure by 3-4%. might change psu to the same one in 8800gt rig thermatake 600w which is professionally finished in braided wire coverings/sata connections, and 20% auto config for voltage settings (1.33-1.46 in v-core).
have standard 500w psu with agp rig.temperatures are excellent cpu 28 deg on idle. cheers
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