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Quantum:

--- Quote from: texasboy on September 06, 2008, 09:07:58 am ---While somewhat agreed with you Quantum,(who wants to drive in France anyway). We have tolls on our new motorways. Why do you think that truckers fill their tanks outside UK?

There shouldnt be any extra tax on us if we had a government that knew how to manage their budget. Millions allocated to NHS recently and wasted on red tape instead of helping the people. Waiting times for surgery are no better.
At the bottom line we are becoming the most overtaxed nation.
At least some of the Scandanavian countries who deliberately charge higher taxes, provide excellent care for their elder citizens.
Time to get spongers off the benefits. England is set to become one of the highest densely populated countries with not all paying any form of taxes
cheers
Even a rental car in Spain is cheaper than driving in UK

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Truckers fill up outside the U.K because France has a different way of charging their motorist, as I just explained. Same goes for spain, if you actually work out the average price of driving a car in Europe, the U.K is pretty average. In fact the cost of running a car and the price of petrol, inflation taken in to account, has actually gone down consistently over the last 30 years.

A government who knew how to manage their budget? Every single government since the war has come to office with the promoise of reducing bureaucracy but EVERY single government increases it, there is a simple reason for this, because it's actually how you get policies implemented for an increasingly demanding affluent nation. Though I would agree, that productivity has not gone up nearly highly enough in the NHS over the last few years, so I do think we should get more bang for our buck in that respect, but I certainly endorse the system we have over something like the American set-up.

texasboy:

--- Quote from: Quantum on September 06, 2008, 11:12:22 am ---the U.K is pretty average. In fact the cost of running a car and the price of petrol, inflation taken in to account, has actually gone down consistently over the last 30 years.



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Quantum, I like a reasonalble debate,but did not expect this from you. If you honestly believe that the UK is not suffering at the moment because of all the taxes that this government has placed on the working class and pensioners,then as I said before your family must be providing you with the essentials of life. Try running a car,buy food,pay for heating and electricity,plus rent or mortgage on your own.!!

“During the past eighteen months the whole of UK industry has experienced increased costs as a consequence of higher oil prices on the world market. At a time when we are suffering from the joint threats of an economic slowdown and increasing inflation, the higher costs of transporting goods and services resulting from price rises for fuel have impacted on every single company throughout the UK, and thus on their customers.

“Clearly the Chancellor can have little or no influence on the world price of oil, although he enjoys unbudgeted income when it rises. However, he is responsible for the greater part of the cost of diesel and petrol which is made up of fuel duty and VAT. These taxes constitute almost two-thirds of pump prices – for every £1.05 per litre the Government collects 66p.

Many fuel retailers are barely clearing costs. There are now less than 9,500 forecourts in the UK, including supermarket filling stations. This is the lowest number of filling stations in the UK since 1912.

At 50.35ppl, UK fuel duty for diesel and petrol is already the highest in Europe. Indeed UK diesel duty is double the EU average rate of 25ppl.


A UK pensioner living in Spain can afford to run a car/buy fuel and still have a healthy eating style.
How can you possible say that we are the same as our neighbours in EU??
cheers

fuzzytomcat:
Hi guys,

I hate to interject here but until the whole world can get of fossel fuels, the rich get richer and the money goes to places other than our own countries.

But hope is on the horizon and new technologies "are" there, very soon many options will be available for all, here is just "one" example -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt5z8L4LBJE&feature=related

This is just the tip of the iceburg ........

( some things are hard to put a tax on )

Best Regards,
Fuzzy
 ;D

Quantum:
Tex, you're objecting to a statical fact with subjective reasoning. Putting quotes in various colours won't change the fact that it's cheaper to run a car now than it was 30 years ago, inflation taken in to account and if you combine all the costs of running a car we're not at the top of the list for how expensive it is to run a car in Europe.

Of course in the last 18 months prices have gone up, like they have in all countries with similar economies to us. But this country is today more affluent than it has been at any point through history, most families aren't working class, the country tipped to being mostly middle class about 5 years ago.


--- Quote from: texasboy on September 07, 2008, 04:43:34 am ---Clearly the Chancellor can have little or no influence on the world price of oil, although he enjoys unbudgeted income when it rises. However, he is responsible for the greater part of the cost of diesel and petrol which is made up of fuel duty and VAT. These taxes constitute almost two-thirds of pump prices – for every £1.05 per litre the Government collects 66p.

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You can quote the exact statistics of fuel tax to me as much as you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that long with running a car, fuel is actually cheaper than it was 30 years ago, inflation taken in to account.

The reason people are struggling with bills is a lot people were out-living means, buying houses they couldn't possibly afford and it's having a knock on effect at the economy as a whole. Being reactionary and reducing taxes to artificially try and boost confidence in the market will have little to no effect, as we've seen in the American market.


--- Quote from: texasboy on September 07, 2008, 04:43:34 am ---Many fuel retailers are barely clearing costs. There are now less than 9,500 forecourts in the UK, including supermarket filling stations. This is the lowest number of filling stations in the UK since 1912.

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So? Can you actually show me that that means anything at all?


--- Quote from: texasboy on September 07, 2008, 04:43:34 am ---"A UK pensioner living in Spain can afford to run a car/buy fuel and still have a healthy eating style.
How can you possible say that we are the same as our neighbours in EU??"

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I didn't say that, please don't misquote me. Maybe it is cheaper to run a car in Spain, that doesn't stop what I said being untrue.

billyfridge:
He he he...Quantum...I see yer still as sharp as ever!!!!!!

As a pensioner myself, and having dealt with pensioners for over 30yrs (going into their homes, and repairing their appliances) i found that very few, if any, are poor. The picture of a pensioner huddled over a tiny fire, having a frugal meal, is a picture they want to portray.
As for high fuel costs, I don't like them anymore than you, the fact the fuel company's are making millions profit is something I can not remark about because that is way above my understanding. I just assume that the more profit they make, the more taxes they pay, and so help towards my pension. what happened to North Sea gas Quantum???...did it run out?
I have noticed with my own married children, that they both have to work to make ends meet. Running two cars, family meals at McDonalds, motrgage payments, bottles of wine, designer clothes for them, and their children, holidays in Cuba, all cost money.
My 5 children had to wear hand me downs when they were growing up, and their mother had to walk them to school, and collect them at home time.

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