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bosoxfan:
Do you think it is wise to allow citizens to legally carry a firearm in the US or anywhere else?  Is it a basic right to be able to protect ourselves, or would banning guns effectively protect us even more?  And is it realistic to ban guns, since lawbreakers would still have them? 

I think this is an issue where there is no yes or no answer because of all of the variables, but I'll ask anyway..

kujo:
I think banning guns would be pointless, other weapons would be used instead. Britain today is a prime example of this, guns are banned so we go around stabbing or beating people to death instead. The homicide rates in our inner cities are comparable to those observed in the states. Besides even if guns were banned an illegal trade of them would crop up to fill the gap and create more crime in the process, despite the ban here will still have gun crime.

Quantum:

--- Quote from: kujo on October 04, 2006, 09:04:50 pm ---I think banning guns would be pointless, other weapons would be used instead. Britain today is a prime example of this, guns are banned so we go around stabbing or beating people to death instead. The homicide rates in our inner cities are comparable to those observed in the states. Besides even if guns were banned an illegal trade of them would crop up to fill the gap and create more crime in the process, despite the ban here will still have gun crime.

--- End quote ---

That's only true in the sense that everything is 'comparable' to everything else. You may go around stabbing and beating people to death, but I would say in that case you are in the minority.

Have you seen the difference in gun crime statistics between the U.S and the U.K, it's huge. There are about as many guns in the U.S as there are people, illegal trade does not reach those levels in western countries when guns are banned.

kujo:

--- Quote from: Quantum on October 04, 2006, 10:38:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: kujo on October 04, 2006, 09:04:50 pm ---I think banning guns would be pointless, other weapons would be used instead. Britain today is a prime example of this, guns are banned so we go around stabbing or beating people to death instead. The homicide rates in our inner cities are comparable to those observed in the states. Besides even if guns were banned an illegal trade of them would crop up to fill the gap and create more crime in the process, despite the ban here will still have gun crime.

--- End quote ---

That's only true in the sense that everything is 'comparable' to everything else. You may go around stabbing and beating people to death, but I would say in that case you are in the minority.

Have you seen the difference in gun crime statistics between the U.S and the U.K, it's huge. There are about as many guns in the U.S as there are people, illegal trade does not reach those levels in western countries when guns are banned.

--- End quote ---

No you may have missed the point here while our GUN CRIMES may be a lot lower our homicide rates are NOT. This means despite the ban on guns people still get murdered just as often here as they do in the states regardless if its done by a gun. As for the other, not sure what you are getting at but people who commit crimes are always the minority, unless you speak of war. People determined to commit a crime will always do so, if doing through one means is difficult they will revert to another... my point....

Guns are NOTthe problem

billyfridge:
Sadly, it's a sign of the times in UK....more guns are being smuggled in than ever was before.
the only thing that might curtail it is by severe penalties for anyone caught with a gun, let alone ppl using one >:(

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